Descendants of Noel de Ste Croix

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Descendants of Noel De Ste Croix
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We have taken the decision to include this submitted tree, which was copied from an online tree, and sent to us by a Jerripedia user for our comments. We can have no confidence in its accuracy - there are no sources - and many obvious errors - but it is a valuable illustration of how suspicions should be aroused in those encountering such long trees during their research.

We are highly suspicious of many elements, not least the birth of the first children in generation 4 when their mother was 14, 16, 17, 18, 19 and 20, and before the date given for her marriage. The fact that the children were supposedly baptised in a variety of parishes is also unusual. The problems continue in generation 5 with the first child being baptised when the mother is 15, and five being baptised before the marriage.

Of course couples have often been married after the birth of one or more of their children, but rarely, if ever, after the birth of several children in 16th and 17th century Jersey. The suggestion that the mother had 23 children over a period of 28 years also rings alarm bells. It should be noted that only six of them appear in baptism registers.

Generation 6 is no better. The first child is baptised three years before the mother's marriage at the age of 36 and the last when she is 64. Highly unlikely!

We have included further notes throughout the tree to indicate material of which we are suspicious.

As can be seen in generation 6, the whole top end of the tree falls apart because the Mathieu on whom the descent stands or falls was not the son of Mathieu in gen 5.

As a final comment about a messy and thoroughly badly researched tree, which should never be shown on a public forum without qualification, we can only say that it is regrettably typical of many online attempts to create extensive trees with early generations predating parish registers. When you think you have suddenly found several extra generations for your own tree online, check each relationship very carefully. If just one generation does not stand up to scrutiny, you should reject the whole tree

Please see Descendants of Mathieu de Ste Croix and Marie Durel for a descendancy fully supported by church records. A further tree, now renamed Descendants of Simeon de Ste Croix, was added in July 2017, and has been fully checked against church records. It supports some elements of the original tree on this page, and confirms that others are inaccurate.

A further review in 2020 of Descendants of Abraham de Ste Croix and Descendants of Guitte de Ste Croix provided a combined descendancy which is far more reliable

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  • 1 Noel de Ste Croix (1494- ) (St L)
    • 2 Simone de Ste Croix (1520- )
    • 2 Guille de Ste Croix (1525- )
      • 3 Nicollas de Ste Croix (1544- ) (St S)
      • 3 Jean de Ste Croix (1553- ) (St H)
      • 3 Servais de Ste Croix (1554- )
      • 3 Guille de Ste Croix (1555- ) (St H) m (1580) Raulinne Le Goupil (1560- )
        • 4 Anne de Ste Croix (1574- )
        • 4 Moyse de Ste Croix (1576- )
        • 4 Noel de Ste Croix (1577- )
        • 4 Philippe de Ste Croix (1578-1630) (St S)
        • 4 Elizabeth de Ste Croix (1579- )
        • 4 Jean de Ste Croix (1580-1630) (St H)
        • 4 Mathieu de Ste Croix (1580- ) (St L) m (1600) Marie Durel (1581- )
          • 5 Mathieu de Ste Croix (1596- )
          • 5 Marie de Ste Croix (1597-1651) (St H) [1]
          • 5 Sara de Ste Croix (1598- )
          • 5 Pierre de Ste Croix (1599- ) (St H) [2]
          • 5 Rebecca de Ste Croix (1600- )
          • 5 Thomas de Ste Croix (1601- )
          • 5 Noe de Ste Croix (1602- ) (St H) [3]
          • 5 Jean de Ste Croix (1603- )
          • 5 Michelle de Ste Croix (1604- )
          • 5 Sara de Ste Croix (1607-1679)
          • 5 Abraham de Ste Croix (1610-1673)
          • 5 Susanne de Ste Croix (1612- ) (Gr)
          • 5 Simeon de Ste Croix (1613- )
          • 5 Nicollas de Ste Croix (1614- ) (St H) [4]
          • 5 Jacques de Ste Croix (1615- ) (St H)
          • 5 Catherine de Ste Croix (1617- ) (St H)
          • 5 Marie de Ste Croix (1618-1679)
          • 5 Mathieu de Ste Croix (1618- ) (St H) [5] m (1639) Catherine Le Porcq (1603- )
            • 6 Mathieu de Ste Croix (1636- ) [6] m (1655)[7] Marie Gibaut Sohier (1637-1692) [8]
              • 7 Pierre de Ste Croix (1661- ) (St H) [9]
              • 7 Mathieu de Ste Croix (1662- ) (St H) [10]
              • 7 Edouard de Ste Croix (1664- ) (St H) [11] [12]
              • 7 Jean de Ste Croix (1665- ) [13] [14]
              • 7 Marie de Ste Croix (1665- ) [15]
              • 7 Nicollas de Ste Croix (1668- ) (St H) [16]
              • 7 Jean de Ste Croix (1669-1673) (St H) [17]
              • 7 Aaron de Ste Croix (1672- ) (St H) [18] m Elizabeth Falle (1672- ) [19]
                • 8 Charles de Ste Croix (1697-1781) [20]
                • 8 Aaron de Ste Croix (1706-1780) [21] m (1727, London) Sarah L'Isle (1698- )
                  • 9 Elizabeth de Ste Croix (1728-1788) [22]
                  • 9 Marie de Ste Croix (1730- ) [23]
                  • 9 Jean de Ste Croix (1732- ) [24]
                  • 9 Aaron de Ste Croix (1735-1790) (St H) [25] m (1768, St H) Esther Le Gros (1731- ), marriage in register
                    • 10 Aaron de Ste Croix (1759- ) [26]
                    • 10 Philippe de Ste Croix (1771-1771) [27]
                    • 10 Jeanne de Ste Croix (1772- ) [28]
                    • 10 Philippe de Ste Croix (1773- ) [29] m (1799, St L) Anne Le Sueur (1776- ) in register but submitted tree shows marriage to first Philippe who died in infancy
                      • 11 Philippe de Ste Croix (1801- ) [30]
                      • 11 Jean de Ste Croix (1803- ) [31] m (1826, St My) Marguerite Syvret (1810- )
                        • 12 John de Ste Croix (1828-1828) [32]
                        • 12 Emelie Jane de Ste Croix (1830-1837) [33]
                        • 12 Charles de Ste Croix (1831-1833) [34]
                        • 12 Philippe de Ste Croix (1835-1838) [35]
                        • 12 Mary Ann de Ste Croix (1837-1923) [36]
                        • 12 Elizabeth de Ste Croix (1838-1840) [37]
                        • 12 John de Ste Croix (1840- ) [38]
                        • 12 Philip George de Ste Croix (1840-1841) [39]
                      • 11 Anne de Ste Croix (1804- ) [40]
                      • 11 Charles de Ste Croix (1806- ) [41]
                      • 11 Anne de Ste Croix (1808- ) [42]
                  • 9 Sara de Ste Croix (1737- ) [43]
                  • 9 Jeanne de Ste Croix (1739- ) [44]
                  • 9 Aaron de Ste Croix (1741- ) [45]
                • 8 Jean de Ste Croix (1709- ) [46]
                • 8 Jacques de Ste Croix (1711- ) [47]
              • 7 Moyse de Ste Croix (1673- ) (St H) [48]
              • 7 Noe de Ste Croix (1675- ) (St H) [49]
            • 6 Elizabeth de Ste Croix (1643- ) [50]
            • 6 Katherine de Ste Croix (1651-1663) [51]
            • 6 Jeanne de Ste Croix (1656- ) [52]
            • 6 Philippe de Ste Croix (1664- ) [53]
          • 5 Guitte de Ste Croix (1619- ) (St H)
          • 5 Elizabeth de Ste Croix (1620-1666) (St H)
          • 5 Pierre de Ste Croix (1621- ) (St H)
          • 5 Elizabeth de Ste Croix (1622- ) (St H)
          • 5 Catherine de Ste Croix (1624-1673) (St H) [54]
        • 4 Marthe de Ste Croix (1581- ) (St H)
        • 4 Thomas de Ste Croix (1583- ) (St H)
        • 4 Pierre de Ste Croix (1585- ) (St H)
        • 4 Abraham de Ste Croix (1586- )
        • 4 Francoise de Ste Croix (1587-1624) (St S)
        • 4 Michel de Ste Croix (1590- )
        • 4 Daniel de Ste Croix (1593- ) (St S)
        • 4 Marie de Ste Croix (1596-1659) (St H)
        • 4 Jeanne de Ste Croix (1600-1675) (St H)
        • 4 Helene de Ste Croix (1604-1604) (St S)
        • 4 Marie de Ste Croix (1605-1626) (St S)
      • 3 Noel de Ste Croix (1560- ) (St H)
      • 3 Helene de Ste Croix ( -1604) (St S)
    • 2 Lorans de Ste Croix (1530- ) m (1545, St S) Mabel Symon

Notes and references

  1. In register
  2. In register
  3. In register
  4. In register
  5. In register
  6. Shown in St Helier register as son of Pierre and unknown
  7. The Mathieu who married on 15 August 1655 at St Martin is shown in the register as 'son of Mathieu'
  8. Children were not baptised with two forenames in the 17th century. Was she Gibaut or Sohier? Probably neither, because nobody with either surname is recorded as marrying a de Ste Croix
  9. Shown in register as son of Pierre and unknown
  10. Not in register
  11. Shown as son of Mathieu and Marie Sohier
  12. Twin
  13. Shown as son of Mathieu and Marie Sohier
  14. Twin
  15. Shown as daughter of Mathieu and Marie Sohier
  16. Shown as son of Mathieu and Marie Sohier
  17. Shown as son of Mathieu and Marie Sohier
  18. Shown as son of Mathieu and Marie Sohier
  19. Marriage not in register
  20. Not in register
  21. Shown as son of Charles and Elizabeth
  22. In register
  23. In register
  24. In register
  25. In register
  26. In register 1769
  27. In register
  28. Not in register
  29. In register
  30. In register
  31. In register but tree shows individual twice, once as Jean, once as John
  32. Jean, 1829 in register
  33. Different parents in register
  34. In register
  35. In register
  36. 1833 in register
  37. In register
  38. Not in register
  39. In register
  40. In register
  41. In register
  42. In register
  43. In register
  44. In register
  45. In register
  46. Shown as son of Charles and Elizabeth
  47. Shown as son of Charles and Elizabeth
  48. Shown as son of Jean
  49. Shown as son of Mathieu and Marie Sohier
  50. Shown in St Helier register as daughter of Philippe and unknown
  51. Shown in St Helier register as daughter of Jean and unknown
  52. Shown in St Helier register as daughter of Mathieu and unknown
  53. Shown in St Lawrence register as son of Philippe and unknown
  54. In register
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